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says Thrasymachus at 338a giving his ‘fine answer’ to the question of what justice is. As an answer to that question, however, it is far from perspicuous and Socrates duly professes himself unable to evaluate it. To clarify what it is supposed to mean, Thrasymachus appeals to the behaviour of the rulers of states: 4 Reeve, p. 86
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Thrasymachus’ Sophistic Account of Justice in Republici Merrick E. Anderson It is now widely recognized that Socrates’ discussion with Thrasymachus is crucially important for understanding the philosophic trajectory of Plato’s Republic.1Thrasymachus is the first character explicitly to raise considerations
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1 Thrasymachus on Justice, Rulers, and Laws in Republic I Stephen Everson 1. According to Thrasymachus at Republic I 338c, ‘justice is nothing other than the advantage of the stronger’.At 338e, he then declares that ‘justice is the same in all cities, the advantage of the established rule’ (τὸ τῆς
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of Thrasymachus and Sócrates, as Plato represents them, positions which présent wider interest for ethics, the philosophy of law and sociology. As we owe ail of our information on the opinions of these two debators to Plato, it is obvious that when we speak of Thrasymachus and Sócrates we generally mean Plato 's Thrasymachus and Plato 's ...
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Thrasymachus agrees with Socrates’ proposition that the unjust person “will strive to get the most he can for himself and from everyone” (349c). This is the elevation of self-interest above all else, and is certainly the oppo-site of the “justice” described earlier. Perhaps the strongest evidence that
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In the Republic though, Thrasymachus, the cynical sophist, blushes when Socrates unmasks his arguments as cynical and sophistic. This detail is curious and striking. As Allan Bloom has noted, “The apparently shameless Thrasymachus, willing to say anything, is revealed in all his vanity, for he blushes” (Bloom, 1968: 336).
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context of justice.27 The shift is Thrasymachus's, not Plato's. This is evident at 347d-e, where Plato enables his readers to distinguish the trivial from the substantive sense of his involvement. He has Socrates separating Thrasymachus's claim about the advantage of the stronger, which Socrates rejects but defers discussing for another ...
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Socrates' arguments are fatal to Thrasymachus' position. Not all commentators by any means, however, are in agreement as to just what position Thrasymachus is defending, or on what points, precisely, he is inconsistent. Nor is there general agreement as to how Socrates' arguments refute his position. The dispute between Socrates and Thrasymachus
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Socrates, telling Thrasymachus that he has challenged the whole conduct of living, takes up a defense of the just life: The first argument against immoralism is a bit technical. We will fol-low our commentary with a more intuitively understandable version.
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SOCRATES AND THRASYMACHUS I The encounter between Socrates and Thrasymachus in Republic I is notoriously baffling. Most of what is said seems straightforward, and the issues at stake are ones of common concern, but the argu ment remains elusive. The purpose of this paper is to investigate the nature and grounds of this elusiveness, and to …
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2. The Initial Argument between Socrates and Thrasymachus In Republic I, Socrates initially discusses the nature of justice with Cephalus and Polemarchus and argues that it is not the function (ἔργον) of the just person to harm either a friend or anyone else, but of his opposite, the unjust person (Rep. 335d12–13)
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Socrates' arguments are fatal to Thrasymachus' position. Not all commentators by any means, however, are in agreement as to just what position Thrasymachus is defending, or on what points, precisely, he is inconsistent. Nor is there general agreement as to how Socrates' arguments refute his position. The dispute between Socrates and Thrasymachus
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why socrates and thrasymachus become friends 167 In refuting Gorgias, Socrates proceeds on the basis of the rhetorician’s own presuppositions, not the philosophical claims and arguments that he mocked. Socrates insists on beginning his examinations of the opinions of others with propositions to which they agree, because, we see in his later
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But Thrasymachus and Socrates apparently do not think it merely incoherent to ask 'But what reason do I have to do what is just?'. However else Socrates may try to meet Thrasy-machus' attack on justice, it is not by accusing him of this kind of incoher-ence. It follows, as Mrs. Foot notes, that Thrasymachus and Socrates must
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Thrasymachus and Socrates in Book I of Plato's Republic. I am not here concerned with whether Thrasymachus' arguments and Socrates' replies are valid, interesting and important though that problem is, but with the fundamental problem of deciding what exactly Thrasymachus is saying about so 81x%ctov, justice. Clearly,
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argument between Socrates and Thrasymachus in the nine pages referred to, in the order of the text, and then consider its relation to later parts of the Republic. 33 8c- 33ga. Thrasymachus begins the statement of his position with a bold pronouncement: "I declare that justice is nothing else than that which is advantageous ...
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interpretation of Thrasymachus. Socrates puts the objection that rulers in legislating may sometimes make mistakes about their interest, and lay down laws that are not really in their own interest. So Thrasymachus must choose between two definitions of justice: as obeying the laws whatever they are, and as obeying only those laws which further the
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The passage just preceding 349a9 explains that Socrates and Thrasymachus will now be using the terms Zjust and Zunjust and their cognates from a point of view that is different from what that with which they started. Now, justice and injustice are being looked at from the point of view of
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When Thrasymachus first tells Socrates that justice is “the advantage of the stronger (Plato 1991, 338c),” Socrates responds that, according to this argument, everyone should eat beef if this is what is good for the strongest wrestler. Thrasymachus bursts out, “You are disgusting, Socrates. You take hold
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When Thrasymachus first tells Socrates that justice is “the advantage of the stronger (Plato 1991, 338c),” Socrates responds that, according to this argument, everyone should eat beef if this is what is good for the strongest wrestler. Thrasymachus bursts out, “You are disgusting, Socrates. You take hold
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360 Nawar Phronesis 63 (2018) 359-391 1 Introduction In Republic book 1, Thrasymachus claims that justice is the advantage of the stronger. After being shown by Socrates that several of his views are incon-sistent, Thrasymachus evades Socrates’ reductio by claiming that no ruler and no practitioner of a skill (τέχνη) ever errs ( 340e2-3).
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reinstate Thrasymachus’ thesis (PT) is this: Thrasymachus’ position, Glaucon and Adeimantus think, has not been sufficiently articulated. 8 To be sure, Socrates goes on to argue against the intrinsic worth of injustice for the remainder of the first book, 9 while an articulate argument in its
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Socrates and Thrasymachus is not about what justice is, but centres on the compatibility of the two initial claims made by Thrasymachus: that justice (for the subjects) is serving the interest of the rulers, which can be achieved by obeying the rulers. Both Socrates and Thrasymachus use the Craft Analogy towards
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Thrasymachus and Socrates in Book I of Plato's Republic. I am not here concerned with whether Thrasymachus' arguments and Socrates' replies are valid, interesting and important though that problem is, but with the fundamental problem of deciding what exactly Thrasymachus is saying about so 81x%ctov, justice. Clearly,
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Socrates' analogy between the city and the soul in the Republic is a crucial part of the dialogue, since it forms the basis for the interlocutors' definition of justice. Responding to a challenge from Thrasymachus, Socrates leads the interlocutors to the construction of a city in speech, based on the premise that
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