ࡱ>      ` bjbjss kPxxxxxxx$P("(((((('''''''$(h5+'x(('xx(('   x(x(' '  xx (    : \'0( + +  +x  (\f ((('' ^((((Ć`dk`xxxxxx   Melinda_Perez-PorterThank you for joining us today for our web chat, "Sustaining Your RAPP." A very special thank you to Linda and Andrea for facilitating the chat. Two handouts are available - they were sent this morning in a listserv announcement and can also be downloaded here on the private page, under "web chats." Feel free to ask questions and to share your tips on what you have done to sustain your RAPP. Let's have fun. All questions are welcomed. Let's get started! dannisonlHi, we are typing from snowy Grand Rapids, Michigan. Welcome everyone. smithaHello to you all from Michigan! Looking forward to our discussion this afternoon. I'm Andrea Smith and will be typing in green. Linda Dannison, my colleague, will be typing in purple. dannisonlWe sent everyone a handout from our text - running "Continuation Groups." dannisonlIt lists possible topics for Continuation Groups. Members are encouraged to prioritize their interests. smithaWhat experiences do you all have with running groups for kinship care family members? What kinds of challenges have you experienced? What successes can you share? WausharaI am finding that it is hard to get people involved here in WI as we are a rural area and members are so spread out, it is hard to get a good group going. So far we have only had about two families out of 21 on our listing. LizHi, this is Liz from Colorado. We have had a successful monthly psycho-education group that we've been running for the last year and a half. The topics change every month. The group is both a support group and a psycho education group.  Janice_HassenWe have had seven years experience running groups. The biggest challenge is identifying families and getting them to understand what we have to offer. smithaHi Janice--the challenge you cite is one that most of us who work in kinship care will agree with. Identifying families and getting them to come to the first meeting or two is often really difficult. We've had some success recruiting families sort of "second hand"--i.e.: by building relationships with teachers, public health care workers, social workers, etc. that families interact with. Having these professionals talk up the potential of being involved in a kinship care group really takes some of the fear of the unknown away from families. Also, families who are currently or have been involved in groups are great recruiting tools. That word of mouth piece can't be beat. We've also found that having an informal open house, where grandparents/grandchildren can come in, meet staff, learn about group services, fill out paperwork, etc., in an informal and more one on one manner is useful. We always provide snacks, etc. so that families feel welcomed. Melinda_Perez-PorterLinda, I just had a call - one big challenge has always been attendance. We stress that consistent dates and times are a must! LizChild care and providing dinner has helped a great deal in terms of attendance. pfcsWe are having trouble attracting new families. Any suggestions for how to build up our RAPP group? dannisonlIt can be a challenge to get a group started - generally we have found that they may need help with transportation. Small incentives can also be useful. smithaI'm first going to respond to Liz. I'm curious about how you determine what topics are of interest/need to your group members. Do you have a curriculum that you use? Where do you obtain info/resources?  LizThe topics are discussed with the group members so that they can weigh-in on what is of interest. Common topics include Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in children, working with the school district, establishing good self-care for the group members. We also bring in speakers from the community which the group really enjoys... dannisonlThe culture of the group is really important - good food, fun atmosphere, small gifts or gift certificates help to get things going. Helen_JohnsonPlease define psycho education. Joan_VanceLike Janice, I'm very interested in the psycho education. We have a lot of interest from members in learning about the prescription drugs so many of the youth are taking....I'm not sure who would be best to address that topic! LizIf you could have a substance abuse counselor speak to the prescription drug piece that would probably be effective...good idea re: a topic, I'll pass that on in my shop. Melinda_Perez-PorterIf you are interested in a chat on psycho education, let us know and we can do that. In the interim, lets concentrate on sustaining our RAPPs. Janice_Hassen I would be interested in a chat on the psycho education. Helen_JohnsonI would be interested to know more about it. Shannon_KassabWe just began our RAPP in May and have already had almost 10 families participate. We offered a special respite night this past weekend and one grandmother said it was the first time that she had a Saturday afternoon to herself in two years. Another couple said that they were finally able to have a romantic dinner and share all the things they've wanted to talk about, but haven't had the time. It was fantastic to hear!Rolanda_PyleWe have heard that giving the group members ownership of the group helps with attendance. Often letting them have a say on what topics and activities they are interested in helps them bond with the group and each other.  dannisonlGenerally we have found the groups need respite, socialization opportunities and information that they can immediately use. Rolanda_PylePlanning activities for the children concurrently with the group helps with attendance. dannisonlYes, we generally run a group for children at the same time as the grandparent's group. Melinda_Perez-PorterYes, we have to be responsive to the needs of the group. Many RAPPs constantly survey caregivers to find out what they want and what they need. We have surveys available in the RAPP library so that no one reinvents the wheel. LizWe have an on-going monthly respite program that our kinship parents have the option of using, but most don't take advantage of the respite offered. WausharaWe have done a couple groups where we partnered with other agencies in our area such as the Department of Aging for a Caregivers Retreat where there were a couple speakers, booths about various topics of interest and massages were available as well as having a joint meeting with our Foster Care Association. This last meeting seemed to be successful so we are hoping to maybe try to do these joint meetings periodically as we are hoping both groups can help each other. pfcs Can you talk more about the respite program? How does it work? Do the parents drop kids off at a central location (the agency) or do you send individuals out to their homes to watch the kids? DannisonlMany times, the grandparents who live near each other will start volunteering to offer babysitting opportunities for each others grandchildren they all benefit from some time off. Shannon_KassabWeve found that the grandparents dont take advantage of the monthly respite care as much, but do enjoy the Special Respite Nights where we provide respite on a Saturday from 3:00-8:00pm.Danisonl Weve used movie nights and pizza parties as an opportunity to give  everyone a night out.Melinda_Perez-PorterSometimes RAPPs will offer respite in the form of time off, but many times caregivers want to do fun things with their grandchildren but can't afford it or don't have time to plan. RAPPs can do that - have intergenerational respite events that caregivers and the children in their care will love!dannisonlWe also send home developmentally appropriate crafts and children's books for grandparents to utilize in their homes. Shannon_KassabWe offer two types of Respite Care. The first is a monthly voucher given to participants to use for a FREE day of care at our Child Care Center and the second is the Special Respite Nights. The participants drop off their children at the Child Care Center while they take time for themselves for the afternoon and evening. Our child care staff does crafts and activities with the children.Melinda_Perez-Porter Great Shannon! WausharaRespite was one of the topics that was brought up at our last meeting by a grandparent so I would be interested in that info. Joan_VanceHas anyone partnered with 4-H to have craft nights or activities? smitha4-H is becoming a popular means of collaboration for many professionals working with kinship care. If you haven't looked into the possibility of partnering with 4-H, I'd highly recommend contacting your local extension office and see what clubs/activities are available in your area. Betty_Duncan4-H is a great place to collaborate. Helen_Johnson Extension/4-H is a great idea. Joan_Vance We've had 4-H clubs that provided dinner as part of their community service. JaimeI work with 4-H but I am also responsible for the RAPP in the District of Columbia. We are planning a respite day for relative caregivers to drop off kids for a day party. The kids will receive pajamas.  JaimeHow do you advertise for the special RAPP nights? Just wondering if you would get other people that might just want to drop their kids off. Do you make it only for the relative caregivers that came to the last few meetings or what?dannisonlWe find it is helpful to include all the grandparents who want to come for the respite nights; they enjoy meeting each other and often form friendships. Shannon_KassabThe Special Respite Night information is on all of our flyers, brochures, etc. However, we share dates as they come up with the Support Group participants. We only ask that they attend once. I send out postcards with the information and date on it to anyone that has attended a support group meeting. DuaneDon't forget about social activities and trips for grandfamilies. They have been the main reason we have kept grandparents involved in our groups. We just had a Christmas luncheon that grandparents from 4 of our groups attended. Over 40 grandparents attended. Restaurant outings are also popular.Rolanda_Pyle Great Duane!dannisonl Scouting can also be a helpful collaboration smithaScouting is another of those overlooked areas. Also, at least here in Michigan, churches are becoming very interested in providing services for kinship care providers. Another place to connect is through Head Start. Many children receiving Head Start services lived in homes headed by grandparents or other relatives.Rolanda_Pyle Andrea, that is true re: scouting, one of our RAPPs partnered with a Girl Scout troop and there are many intergenerational activities for the families. Melinda_Perez- PorterConnecting with head start is a great idea especially because, many times, they are unable to continue to provide services to older children. They would love to connect with RAPPs that provide supportive services to our families. smitha I'd agree that child care, transportation, and food are great motivators for getting folks to group sessions. We've done lots of different things, including providing gas cards, bus/taxi vouchers, arranging car pools among members and picking up and dropping off members ourselves. Just get them there--once that's taken care of, the "magic" of the group itself can take over.Janice_HassenI agree with SmithadannisonlWe also hand out books as well as food vouchers.Pat_EdwardsHi, this is Pat in Savannah. Im here with Jackie Edenfield and Alie Redd. Is audio available with this chat? Rolanda_Pyle No audio Pat!Pat_Edwards Thanks, I'll let the others know. Will a transcript be made available after the chat? Melinda_Perez-PorterAll web chat transcripts are available on the RAPP private page of our website.  Janice_Hassen Has anyone put together a Kinship Coalition to help build support groups? pfcsWhat's a Kinship Coalition? Janice_HassenI read it somewhere and cant remember where. You ask agency leaders that work with families to meet and brainstorm ways to work more effectively with Kinship families. I am thinking about starting one after the first of the year. dannisonlAdvisory boards can be very useful to help plan meetings and to work with other professionals in your communities. We generally ask a couple of grandparents to serve on our advisory board in addition to other local professionals.linda_in_alaskaIve had success in building attendance at support groups by having a drawing for gifts that have been donated by community businesses. Examples are calendars, wildlife posters, baked goods, gift cards etc. Nothing expensive, but the drawing creates an atmosphere of fun for the grandparents at the support group event. Helen_JohnsonI have collaborated with the local Historically Black College Extension Department to conduct a support group conference.Shannon_KassabWe have an advisory committee. It includes the Children, Youth and Family Services Director, a representative from the Area Agency on Aging, Penn State Cooperative Extension, and Cen-Clear, Inc. Also, a grandparent raising grandchildren is on the committee. We meet quarterly and they have been fantastic referring families and offering information that is helpful. Melinda_Perez-PorterThat's right Shannon. We ask ALL RAPPs to have advisory committees. They can help in a myriad of ways including marketing the RAPP, presenting at meetings, helping you with programmatic issues, writing for your newsletters and helping with fundraising. Members of Advisory committees and coalitions can also help identify gaps in services and, working together, you can make a difference with workshops, child care, in-kind assistance and the like. dannisonlAdditionally, advisory committees can be very helpful when you are looking for grants as sources of funding. Extension offices can be very helpful - sending guest speakers, tying grandparents to other useful community agencies.Joan_Vance I'm very new to this, but apparently our probate judges, who work with guardianship families, have been a great source of referrals. dannisonlYes, Joan - we usually ask someone from the Probate court to serve on our advisory committee.Rolanda_Pyle Great suggestion Joan! Melinda_Perez-PorterThat's great Joan - all RAPPs should ensure that their RAPP calendars and meeting dates are known by others in the community including judges, mental health facilities, schools, community organizations that provide assistance to both older adults and children and let's not forget our Area Agencies on Aging and Departments on Aging. smithaI'm going to follow up on Linda in Alaskas comment about gifts/incentives. When we first started working with grandparents, we built some dollars for incentives into our budget. What we learned was that, while incentives are important, they don't have to be anything sensational. One of our best strategies was to visit the dollar store ahead of a group meeting and fill up a grab bag of incentive "prizes". We included everything from small books/toys for the grandchildren, to nylons, nail polish, kitchen items, etc. for grandparents and (the most popular item of all)--chocolate candy bars. The group members were much more excited to reach into the grab bag each week then they ever were about our more carefully thought out incentives. Saved a fair amount of money too!Shannon_KassabThat's a great idea! We gave away laundry detergent at our last meeting. They were so thankful!smithaI love the laundry detergent idea! Also, toilet paper and Kleenex are pretty popular! dannisonlWe often got incentives at the local dollar store. Rolanda_PyleAlso Andrea, RAPPs can fill out their community maps and look at who is in the community. Local stores and businesses are often willing to donate items that can be used as incentives and/or provide food for refreshments. Melinda_Perez-PorterLook for your community maps in the brainstorming sessions on our website. Janice_HassenThe Arizona Simulation is a fantastic way to inform agencies about the dynamics of these kinship families and how they can improve their services and the way the organizations work with them. We have done 7 in Western PA. (To find out more about Arizonas Simulation Project, please see the Resource list listed under this transcript). smithaPart of the project that we put in place in 10 states involved having each grandparent resource site put on some type of professional in-service opportunity each year. It's SO important to make sure that local professionals, who may or may not actually work with kinship caregivers, are familiar with and sensitive to the strengths and challenges of these family members. Pat_EdwardsWe've collaborated with the local extension service for our support group meetings and they provide nutrition training which includes such things as healthy inexpensive snacks and quick meal preparation in 30 minutes or less. They prepare the meals and snacks at the support group meeting and everything they fix the caregivers get to eat and/or take home. They really like the presentations and look forward to attending.dannisonlIt can be very helpful to collaborate with another agency - kinship care is cross generational, don't overlook working with agencies to serve children as well as adults. Melinda_Perez-PorterBuilding trust is also so important, not only for caregivers but for your referral sources. That can never be stressed enough. RAPPs can build trust by having intergenerational events where caregivers get to know the facilitators and other caregivers. Children too can help make RAPPs a success if activities are provided for them. Concurrent meetings help RAPPs with attendance. dannisonlYou can reach many more families by working with other local professionals, speaking about kinship care to schools, health care agencies, extension, mental health, etc. linda_in_alaskaIf I am looking for a donation from a particular business in Anchorage, I go to their website and often they have an application for donations that can be printed and faxed into the business for approval. This saves me a lot of time. Melinda_Perez-PorterGreat suggestion Linda from Alaska!dannisonlSchools can be helpful too, they can advertise, provide meeting places, speakers and recreational support. smithaI agree Melinda and Rolanda. One of the strengths of the kinship care field is that it's cross generational. That really opens up possibilities of places where you can obtain funding, services, goods, etc. You can tap into the early childhood/educational arena and also the gerontology/aging services. DuaneAll Departments of Aging receive funds for caregiving programs. Most goes to support adult children supporting their elderly parents but up to 10% of their funds can go to support grandfamilies. Most Aging offices don't fund programs for grandfamilies but they should be contacted to discuss the need. Rolanda_PyleDuane, you are so right. RAPPs should always make sure that the local AAA knows about their program and you should keep them abreast of all activities and events. Melinda_Perez-PorterWe also always tell RAPPs to "court" their possible funders of in-kind or in-cash assistance. It may be easier for donors to give if they have been getting notices about the services you provide - by mail or part of a listserv announcement! smithaI think that different organizations have come to the forefront in different areas of the country. Extension has been very supportive in some locations, while other areas find more support through private sources. Bottom line, support is out there. You just might need to be creative in looking for it. And be politely persistent--there's a lot of folks from a lot of different human service areas looking for support in these tight economic times. Helen_JohnsonFor those in rural areas, how do you continually sustain support groups in small communities, when you are in competition with established agencies that are having meetings with more goodies etc., than you? Melinda_Perez-PorterHelen, don't forget the rural manual that recently came out from the University of Maine - its available for download on our website and gives great ideas to those of you who live in rural areas about how to serve our special families. I will never forget going to a site visit in a rural area and the trees were a great source of marketing. The RAPP facilitator put up meeting notices on them! dannisonlAlthough incentives are helpful to get the groups going, once grandparents meet each other and the "culture" of the group starts to form, they really don't need incentives to keep coming. Melinda_Perez-PorterRemember, too, to court your community restaurants and bodegas or grocery stores and supermarkets - bakeries and pizzerias - they like to be supportive of the community and who wouldnt want to help our relative caregiver families? Shannon_KassabOur RAPP is the only program in the area that supports relative caregivers through support groups meetings and respite care. smithaI'm curious about groups that are currently running. How long do your groups typically stay together? Do you have services built in to keep groups' cohesive? What tends to work/not work?pfcsSmitha: We've had our groups running for a few years. We do concurrent childcare and provide dinner. But over the years, the group has dwindled. Not sure why, but we're really looking to build it back up. dannisonlWe have also hired grandparents who have been leaders in some of the groups to co-lead new groups - that tends to help members "identify" with the leader. smithapfcs--do you have any type of structured "curriculum" that you use in your continuing groups? Do new members cycle in at any times, or is it that same group of people that continues to meet? dannisonlDo you use "co-facilitators"?pfcsSmitha - I think some new members have cycled in. Both of us on this chat were not part of the program when it started, so we don't have all the details. I don't know that we follow any specific curriculum. We have had our moderator change several times over the years, though. AmberDannisonl, we are about to start that format as well. Did you have any problems picking out co-leaders? I want to be fair to all who would like to do it, but not sure how. dannisonlWe approach grandparents individually and also provide training. It tends to work better if the grandparent is "co-facilitating" with an experienced professional. smithaWhat types of training do your groups' co-facilitators have? Do your groups have particular content areas that members' seem to most need information about? dannisonlIt is also helpful to use a program topic list where grandparents can prioritize their desired session topics. AmberSo are most of the groups here led by you or you bring in a "professional" and sit with the group. I am the program coordinator but also facilitate the groups, but I don't consider myself a professional facilitator. Where do you find yours and do they volunteer their time?  smithaWe've found that having some type of curriculum/planned topic is helpful in initial services to kinship care members and especially for groups that have been continuing on for several months/years. You may (and often do) deviate from what you have planned, but without some type of topic/learning, etc. groups can get side tracked and become sort of "dumping grounds". That's one area where co-facilitators can be really helpful. If there's a grandparent who really is struggling with some issues, the group can be helpful to him/her for a while. But a co-facilitator can continue on with the group as a whole on the topic of the night, while the co-facilitator can spend some time processing that particular problem area with the individual grandparent. Shannon_KassabWe try to spend the first hour on a topic, whether I present or facilitate myself and then allow the other hour for grandparents to talk about whatever they need to. We find that works well for our group.smitha I agree Sharon--groups need to find a balance between social/respite/problem solving, etc. and also provide some type of education/strategies etc. for members. marvawilliamsI (a grandparent raising a grandchild & the RAPP Administrator in Kansas) received training from the Family Friends Program of Childrens Mercy Hospital, who serves KS & MO. There are other agencies in Kansas (Kansas Children's Service League) who train people to be support group leaders. There are also training manuals - we developed one in Kansas that I have shared with the Brookdale Group & would be happy to send to anyone who wants one - my email address is  HYPERLINK "mailto:marva.williams@aging.ks.gov" marva.williams@aging.ks.gov AmberThanks Marva. dannisonlA facilitator should be familiar with adult education techniques - support groups need to be educational and benefit from using a curriculum for kinship care. Melinda_Perez-PorterOne of your handouts includes great curricula available for Western Michigan University and you can look at our RAPP Library List to see more.  Pat_EdwardsThanks Marva, I facilitate the group here in Savannah with usually a grandparent co-facilitating. I haven't found one yet that wants to lead the group on their own and maybe some sort of formal training might help. I'll email you for the training manuals. dannisonlGrandparents enjoy "handouts" that they can immediately use, tied to community resources with good parenting tips - we usually provide a binder where they can store their materials. memberA monthly newsletter helps as well. Melinda_Perez PorterIf you use volunteers, share with us how and where you get them!linda_in_alaskaWe have four groups in Alaska going...three are facilitated by volunteer Grandparents. We find that meeting the needs of our participants keeps them coming back. Our groups value a chance to process their kinship care challenges, good coffee and quality child care for their grandchildren while they are free to share with each other. Melinda_Perez-PorterLinda, that's a great point. We have found that groups are more successful if a caregiver co-facilitator co-facilitates with a professional. Rolanda_PyleSome of our RAPPs use volunteers from professional civic engagement programs, i.e. Encore, AmeriCorps, Senior Volunteer Programs, etc. Other RAPPs recruit volunteers from the community. marvawilliamsAlmost all of our volunteers in the Kansas RAPP Support Groups that I am aware of have been grandparents or other relatives raising children who have themselves at one time or another needed information & assistance for the children they are raising. Betty_DuncanSome of my volunteers come from personal friends who have connected with me and the RAPP program; grandparents who desire to be involved in helping other RAPP become successful.  dannisonlGreat points Betty - some grandparents gain confidence in groups and the opportunity to become a co-facilitator provides them with even more confidence. smithaAfter we developed curriculum for our "initial" grandparents groups, which ran for 8-12 weeks, we found that grandparents really didn't want to be done with services. We encourage them to join a "continuation group", which continues to provide socialization and respite but also allows grandparents to dig into some pertinent topics more deeply. As new members cycle into the group, they're able to learn from the folks who've been there for a while (and who love sharing their strategies and expertise!) dannisonlWe have developed the Second time around curriculum, Continuation curriculum, In-Home Services, Child Care training for Grandparents, Grand Ideas for Grandkids - I think Brookdale has a copy of all of our materials.Melinda_Perez-Porter The flyer provided as a handout for this web chat has ordering information from the University of Western Michigan (The flyer is included under resources for this web chat). Rolanda_PyleA curriculum can really help you with topics to address but also remember you can adapt the curriculum to meet your group's needs. smitha You bet Rolanda--I can think of very very few sessions that weren't heavily adapted! dannisonlWe begin each session with "mood" dots on their table tents - grandparents enjoy talking about the kind of week(s) that they have just had. smithamarvawilliams--I like that way you describe splitting up your sessions. Grandparents have so much information to share with one another and it's important to provide them with sufficient time to do that. Melinda_Perez-PorterAs the groups sustain, they really need to know what the caregivers want. Successful groups constantly survey their families and don't assume a certain workshop or topic will be of interest - you can keep your caregiver's interest if they contribute to your programming. smithaI agree completely Melinda. Our group members complete an evaluation sheet after each and every session. That allows us to make sure we're meeting their needs and also learn about what future topics/needs should be addressed. Shannon_KassabWe also do a survey and I based each of the monthly support group topics on the responses received from them. dannisonlThe most popular topics relate to the grandparents themselves (their not-so-new roles), legal issues, financial assistance, help with the schools, community resources, communication with family members, and activities to do with grandchildren. linda_in_alaskaAbsolutely...honoring the wisdom of the grandparents and encouraging them to share with other Grands is empowering and builds the community of support. smithaSurveys are great!!--and important! Janice_HassenSmitha can you send a copy of the evaluation that you use to jma2@psu.edu. Thanks! Melinda_Perez-PorterHi Linda, we can make the survey and any other materials available to all rapps with the transcript of the chat! dannisonlI would be happy to send the weekly evaluation to Melinda and she can share it with everyone. AmberI like the splitting up as well. Is it more time to get up and mingle or is it as structured/facilitated as the 1st hour, but the group just flows from one topic to another naturally. smithaI think how you structure things depends on your particular group and it's culture. One thing is sure--grandparents really like and need time to build relationships with one another. We typically began our group sessions with some snacks and beverages and allowed grandparents to share a bit about the week they'd just had. Some groups needed to be highly structured in this type of activity, so that everyone had a chance to share. Other groups were able to handle more "freedom" and things could flow a bit more informally. Just when you think you have it down, you'll find that something changes and you'll have to adapt once again!Shannon_KassabFor those groups that use a topic each month - do you send out or hang flyers each month - every couple of months or just use a general flyer? Janice_HassenWe send out monthly flyers with the topic and speaker. TrayWe publish a monthly newsletter with our group schedule and topics listed. Melinda_Perez-PorterMany RAPPs use email to send out their fliers and some have started to use the social networking sites to do so as well.Tray We also use a phone tree for group reminders. Melinda_Perez-PorterTray, monthly newsletters are great not only for the families, but for possible collaborators and referral sources. Calendars of ongoing events are great to send to a listserv, the local papers and for cable TV.Shannon_KassabAnd who do you send out the flyers to? We probably send out 150 flyers to social service agencies and businesses, so postage can start to add up quickly. WausharaWe also send out a monthly letter and include any other low cost activities that may be going on in the surrounding communities. We also offer to pay for the activities for our families if $$ is a hardship for them at the time. smithaThe phone tree is a great idea. Some of our grandparents are pretty computer savvy and do emails well also. Others are a long way from that!dannisonl Post cards work well to remind group members of special activities.Tray I do an e-list for all businesses and social service agencies.dannisonlThose are great ideas! You can also post flyers in grocery stores, churches and schools. smithaI've seen so many great strategies that are "unique" to different cultures and parts of the country. I think it's important to remember that there's no one "correct" way to run these groups. Know your community, know your participants, and then decide what will best meet those needs. dannisonlTeachers often know which children are being raised by grandparents and are willing to send home flyers as well. TrayI found contact with people at the schools, grocery stores, churches etc. work better than just a flyer alone.  smitha Absolutely Tray! Rolanda_Pyle Some schools have sent RAPP fliers home in the children's backpacks.Helen_Johnson Sounds great. During the warm weather we advertise through yard sales. Shannon_KassabWe do school flyers as well. The guidance counselors have information as well to give families. dannisonlAnd also encourage grandparents to invite other grandparents. Word of mouth tends to be the very best way to contact grandparents.Tray This is off topic but I am having trouble recruiting and retaining childcare workers during groups. Any ideas?dannisonl Can you hire students from the local university or community college? WausharaWe use our agency mentors to work with the kids when the adults are having their meetings. Sometimes they do crafts or maybe just watch a movie with them. Rolanda_PyleTray, try student interns from colleges and high schools especially those majoring in education. smithaOne suggestion, Tray, is to look for high school students who may need volunteer hours. In Michigan, National Honor Society members need to accrue a certain amount of volunteer time to maintain their membership. These students have been a good source for us. Melinda_Perez-PorterWow! This was a great chat! Thank you so very much Linda and Andrea for facilitating and sharing your great tips and ideas with us! Thank you, too, to all the RAPPs that joined us and to those who shared their ideas as well. One thing is for certain, to be a successful RAPP you can't give up. Use the tips here and network with your fellow RAPPs for more. The site bulletin is now available and has ideas about children's services, marketing tips and more. Make sure you download it on the RAPP private page. Thanks so much Linda and Andrea! Thank you all for joining us today! A transcript of the chat will be available soon! Don't forget to send us your ideas for chats! dannisonl Thank you everyone!Elizabeth Thank you! smithaThanks for having us today--great to hear all of your ideas and know that kinship care programming is going so well all across the country!Rolanda_Pyle Thank you Linda and Andrea! marvawilliamsOne thing that is sometimes hard to remember is that just because the numbers in your group may start to dwindle doesn't necessarily mean that your group was not successful - relative caregivers, as with everyone else, are very busy (with, among other things, raising children); and many times they may only show up when they have a real need. I liked the idea of keeping in touch via emails & telephone.John_Herring_Jr This was my first chat...thanks for the great info!Tray Thanks!Joan_Vance Great conversation. Thanks! Helen_JohnsonThere is no one way, to sustain a group over the years. I wish there was one or two sure ways try different things. I have to admit, it can be very discouraging when great efforts have been made and yet it is not enough. I dont mean to be negative, because I have had successes, however the let downs can be there.  Betty_Duncan Thanks everyone for all the great info! Janice_Hassen Thanks for the great ideas.Janice_Hassen How often will you be doing these chats? Melinda_Perez PorterPlease look out for upcoming web chats. They are announced on our listserv.Eve_Barth Thank you all for the great info!Helen_Johnson Thanks everyone for all the information. Melinda and Rolanda I will be in touch.Sean When will the transcript be up on the website? Melinda_Perez PorterThe transcript of this web chat will be available shortly. All past web chat transcripts can be accessed on the RAPP private page. marvawilliamsThanks, everyone! I really enjoyed this chat. Looking forward to seeing old friends & meeting new ones at our upcoming Brookdale RAPP Conference. Wishing you & your families a Very Merry Christmas & a Blessed 2011! 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