1 NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED ...

1 NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES

Public Hearing

Tuesday, April 1, 2003

Alexander Hamilton U.S. Custom House Auditorium

One Bowling Green New York, York

2 COMMISSION MEMBERS Thomas H. Kean Chair Lee H. Hamilton Vice Chair Richard Ben-Veniste Max Cleland Fred F. Fielding Jamie S. Gorelick Slade Gorton John F. Lehman Timothy J. Roemer James R. Thompson EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR Philip D. Zelikow

C O N T E N T S

BORDERS, MONEY, AND TRANSPRTATION SECURITY

Glenn Fine, U.S. Department of Justice Lee Wolosky, Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP Gerald Dillingham, Civil Aviation Issues,

General Accounting Offices

Questions and Answers

LAW ENFORCEMENT, DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE, AND HOMELAND SECURITY

Steven Brill, Author Michael Wermuth, RAND Zoe Baird, Markle Foundation Randy Larsen, ANSER Institute for

Homeland Security

Questions and Answers

IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO THE ATTACKS

Shawn Kelley, Arlington County Fire Department

William Baker, American Society of Civil Engineers

Ken Holden, New York Department of Design and Construction

Questions and Answers

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4 P R O C E E D I N G S MR. KEAN: As we start I want to do two things. One is to make part of the permanent record -- we have a statement here from Senator Lieberman, who sent in a statement to make part of our record, and a statement from Chris Chez from Connecticut. We will make both those statements part of the permanent record. I also want to recognize people who should have been recognized yesterday, I think, because they are absolutely vital to our work. Phil Zelikow, our Executive Director who is behind me with Chris Kojm, Deputy Director and Dan Marcus, who is General Counsel. They are absolutely essential, and will be, to our work. I want to recognize, as well, Stephanie Kaplan and Tracey Shycoff, who did all the work really to put these hearings together these two days.

5 Our first panel this morning is on borders, money and transportation security. Let me see, we are missing one person I thought was going to be here. Alright, so going in order -- no, I'm alright, I am looking at the wrong one. We start out with Glenn Fine, unless you have some sort of order you all would like to go in? (Pause.) MR. KEAN: Okay, from the U.S. Department of Justice. MR. FINE: Mr. Chairman, Mr. Vice Chairman, and Members of the National Commission, I appreciate the opportunity to testify before the Commission about the work of the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General on border security issues. Both before and after the September 11 terrorist attacks, we have focused much of our

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